In a previous post were pictures of a
used Josefina doll that I bought with the raised neck stamp. I had seen the
raised neck stamp on a Nellie doll being sold on eBay by a consignment
shop months earlier. I had researched it and couldn’t find a lot of
information, and thought maybe someone on LADL had information on the
raised neck stamp. Since that posting, I did a little more
researching and bought the Nellie I had seen on eBay.
This is the neck stamp and body tag on my Josefina.
1. Ticia mentioned being told that the
Josefina mold had been broken. Nellie has the Josefina face mold, so I
found that was interesting that both dolls would have the raised neck stamp
and be from the same mold.
2.
Here is the Nellie I bought from a consignment shop
on eBay. Josefina and Nellie have the same neck stamp ‘American Girl LLC’, the same body tag, and the neck opening doesn’t have the added wedge
or ‘V’ shaped material to make the neck opening wider.
3. When I did a search for the raised neck stamp, I found a blog post about how to tell if the doll is an authentic American Girl
doll. In the comment section, a person asked about GOTY Kailey Hopkins raised neck stamp. The blogger replied saying that she bought Nellie from AG, whose neck stamp is raised. I went on eBay to look at GOTY Kailey dolls, and found two with raised neck stamps. The
differences between Kailey, Nellie and Josefina:
Kailey has the
classic face mold and her raised neck stamp says, ‘Pleasant Company’. Kailey was released in 2003.
Nellie was released in 2004.
Josefina was
released 1997.
One similarity is that her neck opening
also doesn’t have the wedge or ‘V’ shaped piece of fabric to make it
wider.
This is the link for the Kailey doll with the necklace:
This is the link for the second Kailey doll.
4.
Then a raised neck stamp Josefina appeared on Goodwill. Her neck stamp
also says ‘American Girl LLC’. What year was this box used? I don’t see
it on the LADL post ‘American Girl Doll Boxes - History’ and I don’t see
any other website with a history of the boxes like LADL has. I
have two boxes that have the same design, and on the tag, it says ‘Made
in USA, Germany, China’ I'm curious if the heads and limbs were just starting to
be produced in China and someone messed up the mold resulting in a raised neck
stamp instead of an indented one?
5. I remember seeing something about a tag being inside the torso by the
shoulder that indicated month and year that it was made. So I took
apart my Josefina, but I didn’t find a tag. But the bottom of her head
mold didn’t seem to be like other molds on dolls that I have. The bottom
of the head on other dolls seems to be flat, but my Josefina’s is a bit
slanted, or curved, not sure how to describe it. Here are pictures:
6.
Here is a Bitty Twin that was sold on Etsy with a tag that has ‘3371’
on it instead of a year. Looks like the neck stamp says ‘2002 Pleasant
Company’, which is indented.
I
have found this topic interesting, since I don’t see this very often.
Some sellers don’t take a picture of body tags or neck stamps, unless it
is to show that an older historical, GOTY, or JLY doll is Pleasant
Company, which reduces the opportunity of seeing different neck stamps
and body tags. I can see how showing a different body tag or neck stamp,
when you are selling the doll, would raise the question of the
authenticity of the doll.
It's a true mystery. Wish I had more to go on. Kailie knocked my theory out of the water so now I too am curious.
ReplyDeleteMy original theory was when they broke the Josefina mold they pieced it together incorrectly so that the stamp was affected. But it would be far fetched if one of the original traditional molds broke too. Because Nellie and Josefina had the same molds it made sense that it was put back together incorrectly leaving Nellie and Josefina with raised stamps.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your comment. I think your's and Rhonda's theory are correct. I think that for whatever reason, the molds were recreated and recreated incorrectly to have raised stamps. I read somewhere that by 2003, all production had moved to China. Kailey was released in 2003, and I'm guessing was created in 2002. Is this the time when they are transitioning from Pleasant Co to American Girl, and transitioning from production somewhere to China. Perhaps they needed a second set of molds because the original set was still in use somewhere.I don't think they could shut down production one place, ship the molds and then start it up somewhere else. I'm thinking that they had to get the new one running and adjust for any quality issues, which would mean they might need a second set of molds. That would then mean that the heads could be coming from 2 different factories, and explain why some dolls, like Kailey would have indented and raised, Pleasant Co and American Girl neck stamps. Just some thoughts. A couple months ago, my daughter and I were looking for a video that showed how doll hair is sewn on. In this video link, they show doll head molds, go to time mark 1:28, and the hair sewing is around 3:40 ( really neat) . Some people were creeped out by how the eyes are inserted, so if that bothers you, to skip over that, it is around 2:58 - 3:26. I do wonder if this how AG inserts the eyes and would explain why some doll's eye sockets were ruined during the eye replacement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYIKkqzF_GE
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